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Comments on: Mixed-race monarch http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Robert http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57959 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:38:51 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/01/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57959 The link between adultery and one’s fitness to be a monarch is non-existent. Before the 20th Century, only three monarchs did not have extra-marital affairs.

One of those who was faithful was Charles I, who had his head chopped off by the Roundheads immediately before they installed a short-lived Republic.

]]> By: mightymike http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57958 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:16:31 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/01/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57958 Prince charles is an adulterer and as such is not fit to become king of England. His ugly wife, an adulteress is not fit to become queen of England.
The royal family who seem to think they deserve something more than the general population if this country should be removed from any privilege and all monies and property they have gained from such privilege redistributed back to the people.
Make England a Republic.
Long live the Republic.

]]> By: Wolfie http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57956 Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:51:24 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/01/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57956 OK, I made my point in rather a simple manner to give it drama. I think any local ethnic group would do Frank/Norman/Scot/Dane etc.

After all, claiming that the countries of Europe (ours included) is ethnically pure is pretty silly.

But that’s as far as I’ll go…

]]> By: Nosemonkey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57836 Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:24:10 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/01/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57836 Not to mention that the Tudors were Welsh, the Angevins and Plantaganets French, Edward the Confessor half Norman, and the three kings before him Danish.

There hasn’t been a fully English English monarch for well nigh a thousand years, since Aethelred II (which rather puts pay to the whole “thousand years of history” nonsense the English nationalists always come up with). And he only counts if you accept the Saxons as English – they were also invaders/immigrants. As were the Celts, for that matter…

]]> By: Robert http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57828 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:09:18 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/01/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57828 Equally I would think it right and just for the King of England to be English.

Primogeniture doesn’t work like that: The Normans were French. The Stuarts were Scottish (and, in the case of King William III, Dutch). The Hanoverians were German, as were the Saxe-Coburgs.

]]> By: Wolfie http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57827 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:34:20 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/01/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57827 I would think it right and just for the King of Siam to be Siamese.

Equally I would think it right and just for the King of England to be English.

If Muslims want a Muslim King I think there might be a vacancy opening in Iraq…

]]> By: Nosemonkey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57782 Sat, 04 Nov 2006 12:57:54 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/01/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57782 Joe – Catholics are still explicity excluded from being able to take the throne, and members of the royal family (or at least those near the top of the line of succession – I forget the precise terms as they currently stand, as they were modified during the last century) explicitly forbidden from marrying Catholics thanks to the 1701 Act of Settlement. Though that’s been modified many times, the anti-Catholic bit still stands – and applies to the monarchy.

There’s nothing in law that forbids someone of any other religion from becoming king/queen, but they would almost certainly have to convert to the CofE before they could be crowned under clause III of the same Act (to my knowledge as yet unrepealed), which states “That whosoever shall hereafter come to the possession of this Crown, shall join in communion with the Church of England, as by law established”.

The Coronation Oath also includes an oath to “maintain the laws of God, the true profession of the gospel and the Protestant reformed religion established by law, and will you preserve unto the bishops and clergy of this Realm, and to the churches committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges as by law do or shall appertain unto them, or any of them” – although I suppose the wording is ambiguous enough so that you could technically have a monarch who was of a different religion as long as they continued to act as the figurehead of the CofE and didn’t make any moves to disestablish the Church.

Whether or not you could be a good Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist etc. while promoting the cause of another religion and having to “join in communion” with it is debatable, but I’d imagine the wording is ambiguous enough so that all that would really need to be paid is lip service. It’d still be a tad constitutionally dodgy, though…

]]> By: Phil Hunt http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57781 Sat, 04 Nov 2006 12:31:41 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/01/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57781 It’s just occurred to me that there would be considerably more fuss if Prince William started going out with a man.

]]> By: Phil Hunt http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57775 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:30:02 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/01/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57775 Nosemonkey: “””As for the colour of the consort, I’d imagine it would depend largely on the background of said dusky-hued foreign type. Were they of solid upper class stock, educated at the finest schools and universities in the land, and spoke with an impeccable middle English accent, the chattering classes probably wouldn’t mind overly much.”””

I expect you’re right here.

“””Were the future HRH to hail from Moss Side, however, there really would be an uproar”””

Good grief yes.

]]> By: dearieme http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57765 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:57:34 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/01/mixed-race-monarch/#comment-57765 Get to the point: would it supply us with a top class leg-spinner?

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