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Comments on: Blowback http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/blowback/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Katherine http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/blowback/#comment-58021 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:59:48 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/28/blowback/#comment-58021 Off topic slightly, but I thought I should respond to your statement about “wondering why he hadn’t told the U.N. inspectors if he knew where the WMD were”. I heard from Hans Blix’s own lips last weekend that the CIA did give the UN Inspectors a big list of sites that they thought were host to WMD. The Inspectors went and looked at (a representative selection of) them and found, erm, not very much. They then told the UN Security Council what they hadn’t found. Within those hallowed walls there was no criticism of the methodology of the Inspectors. In the press, they were taken to the cleaners.

I spent a lot of time thinking that the US and UK governments really did believe that there were WMD and were so convinced that they were unwilling to listen to any contrary evidence, no matter how strong it was.

And now, well, I have to conclude that they were indeed mindbogglingly, wilfully blinding themselves to the real state of things, or were mindboggling, fraudulently dishonest about it. I’m not sure which one is worse.

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By: Larry Teabag http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/blowback/#comment-58012 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:25:11 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/28/blowback/#comment-58012 It’s true this isn’t the best post you ever wrote, but that has more to do with your bulging back-catalogue of excellent posts, than there being anything wrong with this one. It’s a good point, perfectly well made.

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By: Mayor Quimby http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/blowback/#comment-58010 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:44:54 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/28/blowback/#comment-58010 Garry, at the risk of sounding like a paranoid moonbat, if rationality cannot provide one with an answer (and there is no obvious rationale to the neocons actions in the Middle East) then one should look for answers underneath. Try googling Bush’s membership of the secret Skull & Bones fraternity and their belief in the Hegelian concept of Constructive Chaos.

Yes I am a fruitcake who forgot to take his meds.

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By: Dunc http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/blowback/#comment-58008 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:58:01 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/28/blowback/#comment-58008 I think you may be making an error when considering whether they’re deliberately fuelling the conflict or not by assuming that they’re making a rational analysis. You assume that if the desire is to achieve political stability, then they wouldn’t be so stupid as to deliberately stir up sectarian tensions and so forth.

However, I suspect that their actual intent is to achieve political stability by stirring up sectarian conflict. I know that doesn’t appear to make any sense, but it’s a pattern you see in almost all US military intervetions since Vietnam. Split the country into factions, and then try and make sure one of the factions you’re backing wins. The fact that it never works doesn’t seem to penetrate.

At this stage, I’m not sure that they can even conceive of acheiving a foreign policy goal by any means other than violence.

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By: Garry http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/blowback/#comment-58006 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:42:04 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/28/blowback/#comment-58006 Mayor Quimby, I don’t agree that the Bush regime benefits from higher oil prices. Their corporate friends do but that’s not quite the same.

Americans are famously sensitive to high fuel prices. High prices are a big vote loser. And pushing up oil prices is a risky business for the economy as a whole. As in my comment above, what the Republicans want more than anything is to stay in power. I just don’t see them taking these risks deliberately.

Before the war, I remember reading some neo-con economist predict that oil would be at $20 per barrel six months after the invasion. He as much as said “and cheap oil is big vote winner and we clever war supporters will get the credit for that come election time”.

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By: Garry http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/blowback/#comment-58005 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:31:29 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/28/blowback/#comment-58005 Abdul-Rahim, this maybe isn’t the best post I ever wrote but “all over the place” might be a bit harsh. Perhaps I should have gone into the politics of it in a bit more detail. Still, that’s what the comments are for. If I’d made a totally convincing case, there wouldn’t be anything to talk about (he wriggled).

The Bush regime misunderstands a lot of things but they do understand the American psyche and when it comes to war, the very last thing the American public wants is to become involved in anything which looks like it might be another Vietnam. The scars from this conflict remain very deep; the fear of being trapped in another quagmire is still a powerful one.

By all accounts, it was the feeling that Iraq had become another unwinnable quagmire which caused the Republicans to lose control of both Houses. For these people, power is everything; their whole raison d’etre is to remain in power. As such, it seems extraordinarily unlikely that they would seek to deliberately create the conditions which would provoke the “Iraq is the new Vietnam” sentiment. Not only has this sentiment lost them votes, it has also severely restricted the ability of the President to conduct further military actions. In fact, it is fuelling demands for an isolationist approach to foreign policy, something Bush and co. do not want to happen.

On the international front too, it is very difficult to believe that the Bush government would intentionally create the conditions we now see in Iraq. The message is that the United States, for all its military might, is weak and unable to “complete the mission”. That is not a message any state wants to send but especially not the world’s only hyper-power.

And militarily, briefly, the U.S. is short of manpower. Right now, they want to be threatening Iran (perhaps not taking action but definitely threatening it). They are unable to do so because they’re tied up in Iraq.

This doesn’t directly address the question as to whether they want to break Iraq up into mini-states. I believe it does, however, make it extremely unlikely that they are provoking the instability in order to try to bring it about. The costs of following such a policy are simply too great.

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By: Mayor Quimby http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/blowback/#comment-57996 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:17:48 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/28/blowback/#comment-57996 I think you misunderstand the notion of Bush having a plan. Their interest is in the process of war. The Cheney-Bush junta and their corporate supporters all benefit from the military spending and high oil prices created by sustained conflict. Big Military and Big Oil backed up by Big Media. They started the crapfest and seemingly have no desire to stop it.

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By: Abdul-Rahim http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/11/blowback/#comment-57993 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:06:44 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/11/28/blowback/#comment-57993 This article is all over the place, not well organised and I was waiting for when you would get to concise and sensible answers as to why it is dumb to think the U.S. wants a bunch of mini-states. I’m not saying I think that’s what the U.S. wants, but you didn’t do a very good job refuting it. Just offering some criticism.

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