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Comments on: A new Euromyth – born from the EU doing its job exactly as it should http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jonn http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-44958 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:29:36 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/09/26/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-44958 Tom – imports give us access to cheaper products than we can make at home, so they do in effect make us – or, at least, those of us who can afford stuff – richer.

One problem, however, is that globalization has losers: unskilled workers are likely to see downward pressure on their wages as they face competition from cheaper workers in Asia. In this sense there are those who imports could, in effect, make poorer – something that, until recently, politicians have been loathe to admit.

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By: tom p http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-44640 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:26:57 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/09/26/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-44640 DK – the piece you linked to by Tim Worstall didn’t really explain how imports make us rich at all. Imports are things that we pay for and that we want, but me buying a lovely shiny new Ferrari wouldn’t make me rich. It’d make me happy, but it’d also make me poor.

Me selling a shiny ferrarri would make me rich. It is exports that make us rich.

the letter he cited used a straw man in the sentence “But if the purpose of economic activity truly were to produce and sell as much as possible in exchange for as few goods and services as possible”.
Selling lots gets lots of money in, that money can then be spent how one likes.
I’m no economist, but it seems pretty straightforward to me.

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By: GG. Tingey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-42238 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:26:06 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/09/26/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-42238 Begin Quote>

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By: Nosemonkey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-42081 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:56:44 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/09/26/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-42081 Chris – I had a quick hunt on the thisislondon site, where Metro stories used to appear, but no joy. I’ve since realised that’s because that’s now just for the God-awful Evening Standard and the piss-poor London Lite. Metro stories are now supposedly available on metro.co.uk, but I couldn’t for the life of me find that one with their clunky search system. Sorry, etc.

The story does, however, also feature (in a decidedly more positive form, as this is a website aimed at the food industry itself) at CEE-FoodIndustry.com

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By: chris http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41886 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:10:16 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/09/26/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41886 Any chance of a link to the original article?

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By: Ieuan http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41734 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:04:21 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/09/26/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41734 David Duff said: “…….I just do not want my country run under rules and regulations imposed on us from a bunch of foreigners.”

Quite agree – so where have you been since the 1940’s when we gave the Americans sovereignty over large parts of British soil? Walk onto any US base in the UK and it is American law which holds force, not British law. I fell foul of this in the 1960’s when I took a photograph of a little league baseball match on a US base and was arrested (taking photos of little league baseball matches is illegal without written permission from the little league – in the US! – and all US military establishments in the UK are classified as US sovereign territory).

The world is getting more and more interlinked, we can’t avoid ‘foreigners’, but better Brussels (who are at least European) than Washington.

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By: Europe deregulates? Oh, the horror… - Voting TaKtiX http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41678 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:46:52 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/09/26/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41678 […] September MatGB11:45 amAdd comment We all know that the EU exists solely to make life difficult for people by introducing new, pointless regulations. The very idea that it could make life easier by allowing us free travel, movement, standardising weights and measures and giving us rights if we choose to ive or visit any other member state is complete anathema, right? James C. M.: How DARE they give shoppers choice? How DARE they remove pointless domestic regulations that prevent pensioners and single people from being able to buy anything less than half a loaf when all they might want is a few slices […]

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By: Devil's Kitchen http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41279 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:11:44 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/09/26/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41279 Jonn,

Good points, which I shall address in a post later today (have to do some work first) but just a quickie.

“Enable free flow of goods, people, services and capital.”

This could be put aother way:

To disable any one country’s wish to limit the free flow of goods, people, services and capital.”

With, of course, the “free flow of people” being the contentious issue. The point is that if a country wishes to limit some of these, should they be forced? And by what authority?

This country, for instance, has never, ever had a referendum on joining the EEC, EC or the EU. There is a severe democratic deficit, not only in the EU as it stands, but also, on this issue, with our own government.

I’ll write more later.

DK

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By: Jonn http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41194 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:47:33 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/09/26/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41194 NM recognises these points (I think), but believes the EU can be reformed: our reply is that it could be reformed to do what precisely?

Entrench free-trade and fight protectionism at the transnational level.

Enable free flow of goods, people, services and capital.

Provide a forum for closer working on issues that go beyond national borders – these may be big issues (the fight against terrorism or organized crime, looking for ways to preserve the environment without knackering the economy); or much more mundane ones (completing the trans-European transport network to enable trade).

Entrenching alliances between states and allowing for a forum in which arguments are framed as questions of politics rather than military matters.

Where states agree, give Europe a larger voice in global affairs: at a time when the world is increasingly going to be dominated by the US, India and China, smaller states like the Netherlands or, hey, even the UK are going to have ever decreasing clout on their own.

…I’m not saying that current EU does all these things effectively, or even at all. Reform is certainly necessary. But there are plenty of things that the EU could be doing. Imagine if the impact if the union were to unilaterally abolish all tariffs and subsidies, for example. This clearly isn’t happening any time soon, but if it did it would represent a far more effective clearing away of bureaucracy than could be done at the national level.

The problem is the irrationality of emotional statements like this:

I don’t care if it’s the best idea since, er, sliced bread, I just do not want my country run under rules and regulations imposed on us from a bunch of foreigners.

…isn’t going away any time soon, even if the EU were a lot more effective than it is and the democratic deficit were corrected.

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By: Nosemonkey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/09/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41164 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:37:32 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/09/26/a-new-euromyth-born-from-the-eu-doing-its-job-exactly-as-it-should/#comment-41164 I’m pretty certain that Fred’s right here, chaps – after all, if the pointless regulations stemmed from the EU, how come they’re different in each member state?

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