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Comments on: What is the reason behind The Sharpener? http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/06/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jonn http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/06/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-15133 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:18:16 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/06/09/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-15133 Isn’t the Sharpener meant to be more about debate than results? Most of the blogs that seem to think they’re one-(wo)man pressure groups border on the unreadable. I’m not here because I seriously expect to change anything, but because I think it’ll improve both my thinking and my writing to engage in debate and watch my ideas get torn to shreds by a bunch of intelligent politically minded types. (Something, incidentally, I have so far singularly failed to achieve.)

All that said, if there is one thing that unites the British blogs of most political positions its a distrust of the kind of centralized authoritarian politics that spews from Blair’s mouth daily.

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By: Donald/TheJarndyceBlog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/06/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-15109 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:57:39 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/06/09/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-15109 Its diversity, its lack of a defined single political direction is precisely what gives it its value.

That’s bang on. Forging any sort of common position on anything more substantial than the basic rules of the game will be impossible here. And a good thing too: “common positions” are antithetical to what we’re about, I think.

Having said all that, Sunny is absolutely right: we should aim to make the most of what we create. We’re probably not doing that. All ideas welcome…

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By: Merrick http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/06/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-15098 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:04:19 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/06/09/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-15098 I’m not sure what you mean by having no political impact. I only see that as being true if you define it in terms of seriously and directly affecting mainstream party politics.

We write well thought out political writing; a lot of people read it. Beyond that, it’s hard to measure.

Sure, The Sun has more readers in a day than The Sharpener will in a century, but I’m confident that our political impact on those who do read us is far greater.

Even trying to tie us together with something about ‘building a better democracy’ would have to have a definition of democracy of such sub-Eustonite wooliness as to be meaningless.

‘Forging a common political agenda’ seems to me to be another way of saying ‘developing a dogma’, and given our worthy promise of ‘debate without dogma’, I think it’s a mistake for The Sharpener to try.

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By: Sunny http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/06/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-15063 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:57:47 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/06/09/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-15063 I’m not necessarily saying everyone should be forced together towards a common cause whether they like it or not.

True, we are here because we liked informed comment and articles etc, but politically that means we have no impact, despite the potential. To be honest I see that as a bit of a waste.

At the very least some idea to pull together the myriad of websites that focus on “building a better democracy” etc may also be worthwhile. We need more thinking and discussion on this I feel…otherwise it call peter off pretty quickly.

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By: Liadnan http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/06/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-15027 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:16:16 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/06/09/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-15027 Even if we called it the Paddington Manifesto?

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By: Andrew http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/06/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-14996 Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:53:33 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/06/09/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-14996 I agree with Merrick. Forging a common political agenda is a spectacularly bad idea.

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By: Merrick http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/06/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-14915 Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:35:30 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/06/09/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-14915 The contributors to The Sharpener come from such a wide range of perspectives that it will be impossible to ‘forge a common political agenda’.

I don’t come (or, more recently, contribute) to The Sharpener for a unified purpose. I’m here because I want to read intelligent and informed writing about political issues. I cherish the way it is done here, that it doesn’t go into insults and chest-beating but stays respectful and people defend or amend their position.

It’s easy for me to find a load of bloggers I basically agree with and we can spend all day telling each other how right we are. I want my ideas tested.

I presume that we are all labouring under misapprehensions, we are all acting on beliefs that can be proven wrong. I want to find out which bits of my thinking are like that and jettison them. I want to find those bits in other people and make them move on.

The Sharpener is a very rare place where people do get to preach to someone other than the choir, and if we all deal honestly then we help each other refine our ideas and move towards a future that makes more sense.

That, to me, is the closest we can come to the point of The Sharpener. Its diversity, its lack of a defined single political direction is precisely what gives it its value.

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By: Rachel http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/06/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-14913 Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:40:55 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/06/09/what-is-the-reason-behind-the-sharpener/#comment-14913 Well. I am looking forward to discussing this down the pub. And I will pop my post cherry soon, I promise.

How do we move from typing it to living it? That is what I am thinking about, and hopeing to discus with as many as can be mustered, on and off-line…

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