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Comments on: Regime change http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/regime-change/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Tim Worstall http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/regime-change/#comment-11762 Sun, 14 May 2006 11:52:17 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/10/regime-change/#comment-11762 Britblog Roundup # 65…

Pensionable age already is our little roundup of your nominations of the interesting and must see posts of the week. You can make your nominations for next week by emailing them to britblog AT gmail DOT com. Something odd out…

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By: Phil E http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/regime-change/#comment-11554 Thu, 11 May 2006 14:09:03 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/10/regime-change/#comment-11554 Donald, and anyone else interested in the numbers – the Repubblica election special is still up (and reminds me that the actual shares of the vote were 49.8% and 49.7% rather than anything as clear-cut as 50% to 49%). Start here.

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By: Rob http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/regime-change/#comment-11542 Thu, 11 May 2006 12:49:28 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/10/regime-change/#comment-11542 La Reppublica had good stuff at the time, but I don’t know if it’s still up.

I did want to qualify ‘Craxi’s socialists’ with some kind of ‘who were socialist in the sense that gathering as much of the social product as you can to yourself is socialist’ claim, but couldn’t think of a decent one.

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By: Donald/TheJarndyceBlog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/regime-change/#comment-11537 Thu, 11 May 2006 12:19:42 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/10/regime-change/#comment-11537 Heh. You need only watch Canale 5 to know everything you need to know about Silvio.

Oh, and do you know of a site where all the Italian results are laid out neatly, region by region in detail, Senate and Camera, perhaps with some Peter Snow graphics to boot? Haven’t had much luck finding a source that I can make head or tail of.

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By: Phil E http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/regime-change/#comment-11535 Thu, 11 May 2006 11:54:07 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/10/regime-change/#comment-11535 Rob – yes on both counts, and a qualified yes to the Forza Italia/Socialist Party link. It’s qualified because I think the important continuity is with the power-sharing and spoils-sharing elite, which didn’t much care who was in what party as long as the bungs kept coming. The Socialist Party, by the end, consisted almost entirely of those people – which is why it collapsed so quickly and completely – but there were plenty of them in the Christian Democrats as well.

Donald – yes, the occupation of Rai3 was the great achievement of the Communist semi-rapprochement with the Christian Democrats in the 1970s. Ironic, really, as it gave Berlusconi a stick to beat them with… across the other five channels. (The man’s not short of brass neck, you’ve got to give him that.)

Jonn – the overseas vote was crucial, particularly in the Senate (an Italian government has to have a majority in both houses of parliament). The six overseas senators divided 4-1-1 for the Left, the Right and one guy in South America who says he’ll vote for whatever everyone else wants except when South American business comes up; apparently he’s an ex-member of Forza Italia, so the Right were a bit peeved not to be able to rely on his vote. I think the numbers are close enough that a 3-3 split would have destroyed the Left’s majority, or at least left them relying on the independent senators-for-life. (Didn’t mention them, did I? There’s a fractal quality about Italian politics – the closer you look the more complicated it gets…)

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By: Jonn http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/regime-change/#comment-11534 Thu, 11 May 2006 11:52:59 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/10/regime-change/#comment-11534 I read before the election that the overseas vote was expected to play a critical part this time round – did I have any impact? My suspicion was that it wouldn’t work in Berlusconi’s favour, but I was basing that purely on his being a bit of a joke in Britain so could be entirely wrong.

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By: Rob http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/regime-change/#comment-11526 Thu, 11 May 2006 10:29:47 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/10/regime-change/#comment-11526 Everything must change so that everything can stay the same, I suppose.

Wasn’t Berlusconi one of Craxi’s proteges, and doesn’t most of his money originally come from Milan Due, the housing development on the outskirts of Milan, built slap bang in the middle of Tangentopoli? I ask because that might cast doubt on the extent to which Forza is a descendant of the Christian Democrats rather than Craxi’s socialists, at least at an elite level. The whole thing is this amoralistic Weberian mess.

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By: Donald/TheJarndyceBlog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/regime-change/#comment-11520 Thu, 11 May 2006 08:57:43 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/10/regime-change/#comment-11520 It doesn’t make much sense in the British context to talk about a political party having a presence in state-owned industry

Which reminds me: whenever I’m in Italy with my partner’s dad (a Piemontese), he still refers to Rai 3 as the “Communist channel” because that’s how it was divvied up during the DC regime. I believe the socialists had one channel and the DC had one, too – hence 3 Rai channels?

And I heard Bossi speak once, at a fundraising rally in northern Liguria about ten years ago. Even though I didn’t understand much of what he said (he was speaking partly in dialect, and doing a lot of shouting), it was enough to be scared.

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