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Comments on: On Foreign Prisoners and Xenophobia http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ian http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-41689 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:15:53 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/03/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-41689 Any criminal who comes to this country from China will not be deported back to China because of the human rights act.

There are murderers, paedophiles and all sorts of other criminals in this country who are here illegally and the government will not deport them.

Someone in China could murder a large number of people, jump on the next lorry to england and would never be extradited or face any criminal charges.

The sooner we pull out of the human rights act the better.

]]> By: alino Nsdalla http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-19274 Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:27:04 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/03/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-19274 Dear Writer, Home Secretary!

Thank you for your latest repot on the the foreign prisonners you so far touched
I personnally belong the illegal group of imigants, but i don’t think that a time you try to see how illegal immigrants live inside U.K( it’s so sad has it used to be, jobs are longer available and even fake documents people used for working are not longer acceptable due to internal checking of the document.
we’re so suffering, we don’t have ressources, money
for surviving,how do expect us to live in a good condition without crimes?? should you be of good heart to grant all illegal rather signing or not status? we need to work legally but our asylum are case are turned down as of my own case I’m not acriminal but I’m now considered as a criminal due to my uprogressive immigration case

I was admitted in Hospital, suffering from T.B for this my case came to be rejected on areason that I didn’t attend the first hearing (hower my hospitalisation any letters came home for me to attend the hearing).
how can live here??
Five years now of living in U.K, I don’t have status neither the H.P, ELR,ELE,D.P etc…
How can I survive? you may need to come down in provinces and find out how people or foreigner coop with their lives, it’s so sad
My authority, people are now stealing cars, goods in houses, commercialising fake passepoerts because of financially crises.at your knwoledge do you think they would be so criminals if they had been given status????

Social Stability is the key fact to all daily routines we’re nationnally facing.
I would totally support your view on granting status to all failed immigrants asylum seekers.
Please we’re daily crying in the city while I’m friends drive a very nice cars , attending good universities, having enough for their expenses, good looking as you’re aware fashion is a fisrt concern for the youth.
please contact me by email

]]> By: Fluffy Economist http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-11737 Sat, 13 May 2006 19:46:02 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/03/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-11737 Lourdes, your comment is a bit silly and gangsterish. Let’s not turn this into a trannational slanging match, after all, WE are not the goverment.

]]> By: Phil E http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-11065 Sun, 07 May 2006 10:54:57 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/03/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-11065 Monjo – if you’re going to say that an assertion is wrong, you really need to say in what way it’s wrong.

A UK citizen is entitled to live freely in the UK once they have completed the terms of a punishment. A non-UK citizen is not.

No. The current state of the law is that a non-UK citizen may be recommended for deportation on completion of a sentence; if they’re not recommended for deportation, they’re free to remain. To deport every non-UK-passport-holding ex-offender on completion of their sentence would be a major departure from current practice.

]]> By: Bondwoman http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-11019 Sat, 06 May 2006 17:41:03 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/03/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-11019 Lourdes Frazao: some of your points are rather off topic so far as what I was trying to say is concerned. In any event, I don’t think the UK government has said that it will deport EU nationals. I am not sure it has actually said much so far that is constructive, but rather it has it has concentrated on finding scapegoats and evidence of “taking tough action”, and lumping together all “foreign prisoners” in its rather generalised public pronouncements.

I am not denying the right or practice of sovereign states to deport those it finds unwelcome. But sovereign states are, or are supposed to be, subject to human rights legislation, and should not either effectively render someone stateless by deporting them, or remove them from their families, unless there are very strong public order or public safety reasons so to do, or return them to a situation where they risk death or torture.

]]> By: Lourdes Frazao http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-11007 Sat, 06 May 2006 11:50:52 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/03/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-11007 Your government has made it quite clear that they intend to deport EU nationals too. Consequently, it is wrong for some here to claim that EU nationals will not be deported. Our position is that EU nationals, unless they have commited serious crimes (rape, murder), should not be deported. If your country starts to deport EU nationals legally resident in the UK for petty offences, we will retaliate by sending back to the UK hundreds of serious British criminals who have “retired” to live in the “Continent”.

]]> By: Patrick http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-10959 Fri, 05 May 2006 22:14:05 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/03/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-10959 The politically-important issue with this story is not that non-UK residents have been re-offending after release; after all, this tends to be a risk with any released prisoner, but that this story has become a handy vehicle for all the pent-up xenophobia of the UK press. Well done BondWoman for exploring the issue so carefully. It would be very instructive to see comparative figures for re-offending rates between guests in this country and our own, home-grown, British-and-proud-of-them criminal classes.
That said, offend the rules of your host and you should reasonably expect to lose your welcome. Mind you, that shouldn’t mean automatic deportation, but deportation is always a reasonable option in appropriate cases, i.e. those where there isn’t an overwhelming case in human rights law or international conventions.
It would also be very dangerous for people to be deported from this country and end up in the extra-judicial care of the Cousins.

]]> By: Monjo http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-10956 Fri, 05 May 2006 18:56:55 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/03/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-10956 Phil E: you are wrong on every level. A UK citizen is entitled to live freely in the UK once they have completed the terms of a punishment. A non-UK citizen is not.
However, EU citizens are free to live and work in the UK – so could not be deported.

As for asylum seekers. Under UN rules no-one claiming asylum in the UK is legitimate unless their home country is EIRE, France, and possibly Iceland.

Strict laws are good for society.

]]> By: Lourdes Frazao http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-10954 Fri, 05 May 2006 17:24:12 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/03/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-10954 As a EU diplomat, please allow me to say that it would be unwise for the English to start deporting minor EU offenders to their countries of origin. You seem to forget that many English criminals have “retired” and/or run their “empires” from the costas of Spain, France, Italy, etc. Needless to say that we will retaliate by sending back to your country murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc. As you will be aware, the sun attracts these people to the “Continent”. I love England and the English, etc., but I do think that you are becoming too American. It must be Tony Blair’s love affair with babby Bush. Under your Home Secretary’s current proposals, a minor from an EU country who arrived in the UK to join his family, who has lived in your country legally for 20/30 years, etc., can be “deported” for a minor offence. I do think that this state of affairs is barbaric. I can understand anyone wanting to deport serious criminals (murderers, rapists, etc.) but to want to depart all foreigners who break the law is going too far. After all, if we are honest, most of us have made mistakes in life. Needless to say that we should no judge others too harhsly as we donot know their particular circumstances. In short, a civilised society has to forgive and rehabilitate petty non-violent offenders.

]]> By: Blog: The (e)State of Tim http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/05/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-10903 Fri, 05 May 2006 08:57:07 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/05/03/on-foreign-prisoners-and-xenophobia/#comment-10903 Charles Clarke and the *ex*-cons…

Just wondering if we really should be deporting people who have served their time….

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