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Comments on: UK blogging: cliques and changes http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Europe: “May it please my lord, The Devil…” - Voting TaKtiX http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/#comment-39460 Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:40:14 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=210#comment-39460 […] The problem I have doing so is that normally, when addressing the anti-EU brigade, you’re normally dealing with a small minded nationalist island stater, frequently with little England tendencies, who really hasn’t thought through their position beyond that of disliking johnny foreigner. DK isn’t an island stater, his position, shared with “I’ve got a book out me” Worstall, isn’t that Britain should leave the EU. It’s that the EU is a bad idea, that it should cease to exist at all, that all nations within it should break it up themselves. That’s a position I fundamentally disagree with, but it’s at least a position I can respect and understand; it’s not based on bigotry, nationalism or narrow self interest, it’s an economic perspective with a libertarian market driven bent. So, I’m not going to be able to defeat it in one post, and I doubt I’ve any chance of changing their minds. But that’s not the point, the point is to persuade you, dear reader, that they’re wrong, and I’m not. Besides, Nosemonkey and commentators say that we need a decent argument. So, to begin… Nation states exist. They have governments who must try to do the best for their people or else they will lose their power. This competition between nations is healthy, and helps to stimulate growth through innovation. The EU stifles this. […]

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By: Chicken Yoghurt » The Sharpener - UK blogging: cliques and changes http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/#comment-37759 Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:30:14 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=210#comment-37759 […] the rest… Filed under chicken nuggets, bloggerdom See also None permalink | trackback | print this| […]

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By: Robert Sharp » Blog Archive » My Rights, Your Responsibility http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/#comment-7735 Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:52:01 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=210#comment-7735 […] people had contributed to the meat and substance of the piece. I was reminded of a great article by Nosemonkey at The Sharpener: In some areas it’s already almost turning into […]

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By: Robert Sharp http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/#comment-7734 Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:43:58 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=210#comment-7734 My Rights, Your Responsibility

“My Right to Force You to Be Interested in Politics,” In which I commend blogging, and demand an ASBO for on fifth of the adult population.

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By: Robert Sharp » Blog Archive » Blogging analogies http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/#comment-6338 Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:24:46 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=210#comment-6338 […] Blogging analogies Nosemonkey provides a long and interesting peice on the cliques and changes abound in blog network. This is the main concern. If we all start meeting up in the real […]

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By: Alex http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/#comment-4137 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:23:17 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=210#comment-4137 An important but overlooked feature in this is the personal history of a blog. In my own experience, TYR developed originally with far more transatlantic and (to a lesser extent) European links than within the UK. Also, it went through a number of phases – it used to be much more blogroll-centric, largely due to my shameless link-whoring. When you are trying to get a blog established, the temptation is to link back reciprocally to absolutely anyone who links or reads your blog, even if you wouldn’t read them in a fit.

I’d also point out that RSS, trackback, and comments are a cause of the decline in the importance of the blogroll. Where once you would have a list of blogs you read, now you add RSS feeds to your reader, and/or trackback them (or leave extensive comments). This is a natural evolution towards a more dynamic/live web community rather than just collecting masses of links. (Although, that said, my own blogroll and RSS feed are in a shocking state at the moment.)

I experimented during 2004 with replacing the blogroll by an “RSSroll”, dumping the feeds from key blogs on my right sidebar in the old blogroll spot, but abandoned the experiment due to the flakiness of the hosted RSS panel (when it wasn’t offline and hence breaking the sidebar, it constantly failed to render long titles correctly).

In a broader sense, may I mourn the passing of SBBS? For good or ill, it did act as a sort of peering interface between the main British blogclans, being the only place where Tony’s Willing Executioners and the Student Stoppers paths crossed in something like good spirits.

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By: Natalie Bennett http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/#comment-4111 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:52:08 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=210#comment-4111 Interesting post and discussion – I think we do need to think about what we are doing, because otherwise all sorts of restrictive habits do grow up.

I think all bloggers share something in common, in that they care enough and are engaged enough in one or more issues to write about it and thus is some small way (at least) campaign to try to change the way it is treated – which is always going to make them a clique to some degree.

But I wonder why this has to be the “British” blogosphere? I haven’t counted my blogroll, but it is probably well over the 300 mark, and maybe 20-30 per cent of those are British, about 50 per cent American (because there are an awful lot of them in the blogosphere), 10 per cent Australian (because I do still have some interest in the old place), and the rest from everywhere from Jordan to India to Latin America.

And while I post often on history and culture, I do also post a lot on politics, and I find that the international perspective can throw up all sorts of interesting new ideas and perspectives. A recent post on menstruation, which was partly history and partly contemporary political comment, drew a huge response from the Indian blogosphere for example, which wasn’t what I was expecting when I wrote it.

But in researching the Britblog roundup – via one original nomination, I also found a whole circle of new British bloggers – mostly Midlands-based – of whom I was unaware. So I’d urge everyone that if they make one new link, follow it up and find where it leads.

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By: Phil E http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/#comment-4102 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:43:19 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=210#comment-4102 on the ‘tree hugging hippy’ comments…

That line could probably have been clearer. Put it this way: if you give me the phrase “The battle for the trees” I can tell you who wrote the book and quote several lines of the song. What we’re short of, it seems to me, are people who would take that for granted and could also tell you where and when the BFTT actually was. (Or, preferably, people who would take that for granted and could also tell you what’s going on now.)

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By: MatGB http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/#comment-4096 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:57:06 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=210#comment-4096 “May it please my lord, The Devil…”

Actually, the rather circular and insular nature of the ‘sphere’ does bother me a little, but not overtly. I found some new blogs recently, some of them got blogrolled even, but for the most part I’m pretty happy with the links I’ve got, because they’re the on-topic blogs I read.

Oh yeah; on the ‘tree hugging hippy’ comments; I’m vegetarian, Paul’s vegan, but while it’s important to both of us personally, we don’t talk about it on the blog, because the blog, in theory, has a topic and a theme. Some blogs out there have great content, but aren’t related to what we’re discussing; they’re on my feed list, but not the blogroll. Meh. Navel gazing, irrelevent, but a good post NM.

OK, we need a good argument on stuff we disagree on; DK’s doing good with his stuff on the BNP and the EU. Maybe I should join him given I mostly disagree with him. Thing is, we enjoy the debate too much to start flaming properly, it’s part of the appeal.

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By: Katie Bartleby http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/uk-blogging-becoming-a-clique/#comment-4092 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:20:26 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=210#comment-4092 It’s ok rachel, you get used to them and their navel gazing… I think it has something to do with the landscape beyond the navel.

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