Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/johnband/sharpener.johnband.org/index.php:1) in /home/johnband/sharpener.johnband.org/wp-includes/feed-rss2-comments.php on line 8
Comments on: Transport against London http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Shuggy http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/#comment-3835 Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:40:30 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=150#comment-3835 Lawless two-wheeled thugs are whining that the scheme doesn’t accommodate their perversion.

Hurrah! Someone else recognising this degraded practice for what it is. Sick bastids the lot of them – flauting their lurid lycra outfits as if they had nothing to be ashamed of…

the country’s productive parts (London, bits of the Southeast whose prosperity is dependent on their proximity to London, and greater Birmingham) massively subsidise everywhere else – especially Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland).

Yep – and I’d just like to send a wee note of thanks to y’all down there in the productive part of the country for all the subsidies. Although they ain’t spending them very well on transport up here either. The Scottish Executive recently announced a scheme of tax-breaks for lycra cycling outfits. Meanwhile, Edinburgh and Glasgow remain joined by a dangerous dirt-track that they still insist on describing as an A road.

Personally, I favour a tracksuit and burberry tax as a means of raising extra revenue for transport. They’d carry a levy of 145% per item – and a special super-levy of 897% for white tracksuits. And in case anyone thinks I’m being classist, body-piercings, black trench coats and T-shirts of Kurt Kubain would be taxed at the same rate.

]]>
By: Marcin Tustin http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/#comment-3349 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:47:01 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=150#comment-3349 I was all for Ken he came out in favour of Ian “Get the brazilian and shut up” Blair.

As to Oyster card, the point of the system is that it will reduce fraud and ticket-touting to very low levels, as well as taking the pressure off ticketing arrangments, and allowing people to move more quickly through the tube. If it works properly, then it ought to also allow them to get a better idea about the kinds of journeys people make, as well as potentially allowing them to correlate across modes of transport. And Oyster alleviates the problems of ticketing and freeriding on buses. The next step is to allow it to be used as a generic payment card, as in a number of other cities. MMM anonymous electronic cash.

]]>
By: Gregg http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/#comment-3330 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:16:29 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=150#comment-3330 Why does he want to migrate everyone onto Oyster? Is it really cheaper to run or is it the tracking benefits?

I think it’s a speed thing – if you can get bus passengers to swipe a card across a pad rather than swapping change back and forth with the driver, you can save a little bit of time at each stop, which does add up.

]]>
By: Militant Moderate http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/#comment-3328 Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:19:51 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=150#comment-3328 Transport For England

Over at the Sharpener, John B has a post where he makes a Londoncentric plea for better public transport. I have to say, I find it hilarious when our friends from the capital start moaning about their transport system. Whenever I visit London, I’m am…

]]>
By: Third Avenue http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/#comment-3326 Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:23:36 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=150#comment-3326 John – fantastic to have you back, and a great post. But I’ve got some issues.

The first one is not just because I’m Welsh… You say that London is ‘massively neglected’ because ‘the country’s productive parts (London, bits of the Southeast whose prosperity is dependent on their proximity to London, and greater Birmingham) massively subsidise everywhere else – especially Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland)’. Well, isn’t this the whole point of a taxation system? The more productive bits subside the less productive? How else could a system work? We can argue about the balance of the current system, but the logical conclusion of this argument is that Kensington and Chelsea should get a lot more money than Newham.

Then there’s trains. The British have a strange view of the railways: totally sentimental about them in principle and yet seemingly genetically incapable of electing politicians who will spend money on them. But having worked several years on public transport issues, I’ve come to the conclusion that trains are, very crudely put, expensive ways of moving well-off people from one comfortable place to another. Poorer people are much, much less likely to use a train. They use buses, and here London shines over virtually any other city on the planet (most Paris bus routes, to take one example, shut down completely after 8pm). Elsewhere in the UK the situation is nowhere near as good.

That’s not necessarily an argument against investing in more trains: indeed, Crossrail and Thameslink 2000 seem good things. But, given the choice, I would rather that higher priority were given to those places outside London were bus services are patchy to non-existent, rather than to projects that use lots of tax money to make the lives of the already well-off even more pleasant, while ignoring the fact that most British people can only dream of the level of public transport provision that London already enjoys.

]]>
By: Sarah http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/#comment-3323 Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:45:06 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=150#comment-3323 Well, as I see it there are basically two moderately civilised ways to deal with people you share a state with but dislike and are disliked by. Solution 1 is to pay them off by giving them a bunch more cash per person in government spending. Solution 2 is to try talking over your differences & frustrations in the hope of resolving them.
The Canadians tried solution 2 for over 20 years and it absolutely failed. Everyone became more divided, more intolerant and keen about secession. Then, they tried solution 1 (albeit by corrupt means) which has worked noticeably better, even though some people are worried by the corruption.
I conclude that bribery is a much better way of dealing with discontent than talking to people is.

]]>
By: dave heasman http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/#comment-3319 Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:29:43 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=150#comment-3319 ” No, he’s *cut* the fares, it’s just that the press are a bunch of Ken-hating, PT-hating liars”

Particularly the Standard of course. Amusing to read the first 3 vox-pops in the Standard responding to the news “I’m all in favour..” “It’s a great idea…” “Yes a good idea…” headline-writers at odds with reporters, shock horror.

]]>
By: Neil Harding http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/#comment-3318 Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:16:18 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=150#comment-3318 Without Ken having the balls to beat the right wing press and pretty much everyone else including New Labour, there would never have been a congestion charge, that has such large support in the capital, now, after he has proved he was right all along. This has meant extra funding for PT and London as a result has become the only area of the country where bus use is rising. The millions of extra passengers and hundreds of extra buses, are taking bus use in London back to the unprecedented 1950 levels. Well done John B, for an excellent article and lets hope the Tories and their press and business friends don’t pay for Ken to be assasinated. If this was the usual standard of your articles, its a real shame SBBS is no more. I heard about what happened.

]]>
By: dsquared http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/#comment-3317 Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:47:48 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=150#comment-3317 The situation with respect to Crossrail at least is more complicated than that. The Corporation of London have been putting obstacles in its way for years, nobody knows why.

]]>
By: Inquisitor http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/10/transport-against-london/#comment-3316 Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:35:56 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=150#comment-3316 The thing is, though, it isn’t just London that gets screwed on public transport issues. Edinburgh is an excellent case in point – our moronic city council actually put an ultra-cheap (£2! £2!) congestion charging scheme to a referendum and of course lost handsomely and the Borders rail link (linking up a public transport blackspot along mostly unconverted Beechingised line) has only just been passed after about ten years worth of discussion.

The tram scheme is getting nimby flak from every angle; ScotRail is now run by First (rather than National Express, under whom they were actually one of the best performing rail companies… something Londoners will be familiar with, of course); and, of course, the people who actually run transport in Scotland are completely incompetent (see recent Edinburgh road redevelopments).

We are getting more money than you, but our representatives find much more entertaining ways to waste it (Parliament building, anyone?). And at least our bus service is OK.

]]>