2. Let us accept your position that very-late-term abortion of this type is not infanticide. Read the post – he never used the word ‘infanticide’. He said ‘aborted’. So it is you, not he, that first made the ‘late-term abortion=infanticide’ equivalence – when you accused him of accusing the Chinese government of infanticide.

Therefore: either it is infanticide, and you were wrong to accuse Mike of talking rubbish; or it is not, and you were wrong to accuse Mike of making allegations of infanticide, when he did not do so.

A child. What do you call a foetus ten days overdue? A foetus. The distinction between someone that has been born and is a separate person, and someone that hasn’t and isn’t is one that is made by every code of common law in the world apart from one or two states of the USA.

Come on. I’m not trying to make some sort of anti-abortion point here. But you’d keep a lot more of your self respect if you didn’t keep insisting on this farcical distinction.

By the way, there’s the other kicker line still to address – come on, post something like “Five thousand people did not die in Tiananmen Square. Only 2,600 people were killed during the crackdown, according to the Chinese Red Cross, and it is stupid, pernicious, racist garbage to suggest otherwise.” You’d be on much firmer ground there.

Or, better still: “No one died in Tiananmen Square in 1989. All the massacres occurred elsewhere in the city and on the approach routes to the square, and it is stupid, pernicious, racist garbage to suggest otherwise.”

Up to you, obviously.

Or, alternatively, you could pretend that you are still in the right, because there is some sort of crucial difference between infanticide at birth and infanticide ten days before birth

There is no such thing as “infanticide ten days before birth”.

First, take a deep breath.

Next, read this:http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1386454.htm
which is a report from ABC earlier this year.

The key quote is here:

LIZ FOSCHIA (ABC reporter): Zhu Ching-Ping was one notable Chinese asylum seeker, who was deported from Australia six years ago when she was more than eight months pregnant.

MARION LE (Chinese refugee advocate): She was forcibly removed from Port Headland against her wishes, with her husband and they returned to China where the baby was aborted ten days short of full term, injected in the head.

There are lots more similar reports here:
http://www.asylumlaw.org/docs/china/CHI_1/Table_of_Contents.pdf

Alternatively, you could read Amnesty International’s 2005 report on China, which points out that forced late-term abortion is still occurring in order to enforce the policy. Or – tell you what, you’re a bright guy – read all of them.

Once you’ve done that, you can apologise for calling Mr Cunningham stupid, pernicious and racist. Or, alternatively, you could pretend that you are still in the right, because there is some sort of crucial difference between infanticide at birth and infanticide ten days before birth. Which of these options you choose is entirely up to you.

hit a nerve there, I see!!!

Been to China recently?