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Comments on: Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: sarah http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/#comment-4150 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:32:41 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=137#comment-4150 Hi Justin,

I’m back and just in case your wondering I’m posting from the local internet cafe!

Firstly I had been in work from 6:45am and was on a well deserved break.

Secondly at the time I was actually working on a project about the public’s views and concerns about Gov Policies, Public Services and the Percepion Gap – thats my job!

And to do that research I was browsing on some political websites and blogs to find out what people views.
I stumbled across a blog that had you listed so I came on a made a comment which lasted about 20 seconds esp with all the silly spelling mistakes.
If I had been on here all day whilst at work I would completely understand your point but it took me so little time and as my colleagues feel the same way as me on this topic anyway I don’t think anyone will too mad about it.

Thirdly in my original post I was simply saying that just because a person says that somebody has said something nasty, unfair or wrong doesn’t meant it’s proof that he or she did say it -it’s only his word – thats all!

You’ll be glad to know that this will be my last post on this blog.

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By: sarah http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/#comment-4146 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:21:18 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=137#comment-4146 I am allowed a break you know!!!

Of which I can do what i like, considering it has taken me about 10 seconds to send this, I don’t think it’ll cause too much upset.

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By: Jarndyce http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/#comment-4142 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:52:18 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=137#comment-4142 I’m not sure describing Mandelson as a closet friend is quite accurate these days.

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By: Justin http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/#comment-4139 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:44:54 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=137#comment-4139 Sarah, thanks for dropping by with your well reasoned response. And for calling me stupid. You won me over, well done.

By the way, it’s “believe” not “beleive” and “bearing” not “baring”. “Completely” not “completley” and “Mandelson” not “Mandleson”. Also please stop SHOUTING, you sound juvenile.

I also notice the taxpayer paid for the time taken to send your party political message, and for the bandwidth required to send it (I can see your IP address and server details). Does your boss know or is this what’s known as the politicisation of the civil service?

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By: sarah http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/#comment-4133 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:05:21 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=137#comment-4133 Just because this guy says that TB made these comments doesn’t mean he did, people are so quick to judge, I don’t beleive that TB is homophobic in the slightest, it’s one embittered man trying to get back at the PM. And baring in mind that Peter Mandleson is gay and one TB’s closet friends/allies, i’m not sure why so many people are being stupid enough to just believe these comments so easily.

As far as i’m concerned your hatred of TB is completley UNJUSTIFIED!

http://www.keep-the-faith.org
Labour Party Faith…

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By: soubzriquet http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/#comment-3182 Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:14:07 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=137#comment-3182 Paddy, I understand where you are coming from, but I think you slightly misread me. Although it is of course difficult to relate to people whose world-view is alien to us, it is clear that they exist (hence insight). The difference between thinking `I can’t understand this person’ and commenting on it in an inappropriate way is a reflection of maturity. This latter point is much like the difference in what you might say to an old friend, compared to what you might say to your boss.

In all, it isn’t about `no deficiencies’, but more about `is *that* really the best we can do?’. Of course a single comment doesn’t make for a condemnation, but is a reflection on his character, so worth noting.

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By: Paddy Carter http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/#comment-3181 Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:01:03 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=137#comment-3181 soubzriquet

I supposed we’d prefer to be governed by people with no deficiencies, but I can’t say that I regard this one as terribly serious.

I don’t believe Blair is homophobic, he shows no apparent reluctance to accept gay people as friends and colleagues.

You talk about maturity and insight, and I guess Blair’s question can be seen as revealing a lack thereof, but in some respects it’s a lack I am sympathetic with. I don’t find it easy to comprehend how somebody can looks at the world in a way that is utterly alien to me (which is not the same thing as being unable to accept that they do). One of my best friends thinks U2 is one of the greatest rock bands to have ever walked the earth. I keep wanting to ask him …really?. And how many dyed in the wool lefties out there have trouble believing that a decent intelligent human being can genuinely be …. a Republican?

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By: soubzriquet http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/#comment-3178 Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:40:08 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=137#comment-3178 Paddy,

About your take on the “beautiful woman” comment: I’m sure that most of us have known heterosexual men who would make very similar comments. It is a sign of a certain lack of insight and maturity that statements like this are made. Are you really suggesting, though, that we should not hold someone in a position such as Blairs to higher standards? I don’t see that this really need have anything to do with hating the man, or otherwise.

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By: Phaedrus http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/#comment-3177 Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:52:05 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=137#comment-3177 Wow. Did I enter a parallel blogosphere?

Great post and comments. Open, intelligent debate. Honest disagreement. Positive mediation. Mea culpas all round, then rapprochement.

Lovely. Excellent work people.

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By: Nosemonkey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/dont-knock-it-till-youve-tried-it/#comment-3176 Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:31:15 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=137#comment-3176 In other words: commoner – in future know thy place.

Here endeth the lesson.

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