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Comments on: The Dalry Road Question http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Robert http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/#comment-58543 Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:23:08 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/02/14/dalry-road/#comment-58543 Gus,

This is nothing to do with being stuck inside the Anglo-sphere! Are the Scots Gaelic speakers are comparable to, say, the Quebecois? That is certainly not the SNP’s belief, otherwise the borders of a proposed Independent Scotland would be in a very different place.

Likewise with religion – It is not like the Irish case, where the difference in religion between the rest of the UK, was a crucial argument for self-determination.

With regards to the suggestion that this is a non-issue: From an administration point of view, that may be the case. I’m just asking wether the ideological ideas of ‘national identity’ and ‘self-determination’ (which are used to justify independence) do not require a certain pro-activity, even zeal, on the part of potential citizens? To then let in, on administration grounds, any old Englishman who happens to work in the ‘Anglosphere’, seems to rather undermine the rhetoric of nation building.

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By: Donald Maclean http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/#comment-58539 Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:16:45 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/02/14/dalry-road/#comment-58539 The poor quality of SNP personnel and argument makes many ‘nationalists’ think of alternatives. Why bother with outright independance and separation, if we can achieve the same outcome via the current setup?
http://strikethirteen.blogspot.com/2007/02/whats-going-on.html

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By: Gus Abraham http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/#comment-58524 Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:47:12 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/02/14/dalry-road/#comment-58524 Chris Y is quite right. This is a non-issue. I’d take issue with a seperate part of your piece though. You say:

“The Scottish Nationalists claim to be ‘different’ from the English, and yet there are no clashes of religion, ethnicity, or language.” Well perhaps inside the anglo-sphere of Edinburgh there are no no clashes of language, but not elsewhere in Scotland. Also, in terms of religion, the ongoing disgrace that a catholic cannot become monarch is shameful, (not that I subscribe to either affliction).

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By: chris y http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/#comment-58521 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:28:43 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/02/14/dalry-road/#comment-58521 Surely the precedents for this situation were set last time a substantial chunk of the United Kingdom decided to walk away. In practice, both the the Republic of Ireland and the residual UK are extremely relaxed about dual nationality and, pace Republican claims about jurisdiction in the six counties (which are more about politics than settled law), the only case I can think of where it mattered much was the decision of the British to hang Lord Haw-haw.

I would imagine that in the case of Scottish independence, both parties would take pains to minimise the initial impact on everybody, not least by rushing through Scottish membership of the EU, after which formal citizenship would become almost a non-issue.

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By: Donald/TheJarndyceBlog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/#comment-58507 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:27:08 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/02/14/dalry-road/#comment-58507 I’ll let you off. The only thing I know how to ask for in Slovak is a beer.

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By: Phil Hunt http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/#comment-58505 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:49:31 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/02/14/dalry-road/#comment-58505 People in the EU genrrally have the right to reside in each others countries, so would this really be a big deal? I don’t think so.

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By: lemuel http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/#comment-58503 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:25:45 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/02/14/dalry-road/#comment-58503 Whoops.

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By: Donald/TheJarndyceBlog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/#comment-58500 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:20:20 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/02/14/dalry-road/#comment-58500 I think it highly unlikely that our quilts would come into it. There’s *just* a chance, though, that our kilts (or, in the vernacular, “skirts”) might have a role…

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By: lemuel http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/#comment-58498 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:56:47 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/02/14/dalry-road/#comment-58498 You rang?

Well Czechs and Slovaks are pretty much separate nations (meaning ethnicities) with many similarities but also quite a few differences (which do tend to get rather emphasized when divorce comes along) in language and in culture as well. Geographical separation was easy as well, the border with Czech lands was probably the one “most historically established” for Slovakia.

As far as the practical matter of citizenship, there weren’t any problems with this in the Czechoslovak case, I don’t even remember the particulars, I think everyone was granted the citizenship of the state he was a permanent resident of, unless he specifically asked for the other one. Dual citizenship was also a possibility for quite some time, I believe. Of course this differs from the Case of UK vs Scottish citizenship in the regard that in the Czechoslovak case there were only two new state entities, both claiming a de iure continuity with the old state. In your case however UK would (I hope) remain in existence which raises your fair question whether one could be stripped of his citizenship. I presume the sane thing here would be to apply for Scottish citizenship while leaving ones UK citizenship intact.

I won’t pretend I understand the question of Scottish independence though, what are they going to base their nationhood on? Their accents? Quilts? What?

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By: Robert http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/02/dalry-road/#comment-58497 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:24:31 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/02/14/dalry-road/#comment-58497 I can’t see it resulting in hundreds of thousands of non-UK citizens wanting to become Scottish citizens anyway.

When I speak of the ‘diaspora’, I would crucially include residents of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, who were born and/or grew up in Scotland. Since Scotland’s population has been falling recently (1% or two 2% a year, I think). That’s a lot of people.

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