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Comments on: The Free Market Monarchy http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Antipholus Papps http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58337 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:58:55 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/01/05/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58337 Become a Discordian and you’ll be able to call yourself Pope!

From this moment on, I am to be addressed as Pope Fenderson Papps II.

Thank you for your consideration.

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By: Prof Scrub http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58335 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:54:04 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/01/05/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58335 Dear Royal sharpener,

The Queen can have a free seat on my lap and can sit there as long as she wants.

I also believe the Queen should be head of my campaign for free national viagra. Now this a way to get real exposure:

Free viagra for over 60’s

Your Queen lover,
Prof Scrub

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By: Andrew Bartlett http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58331 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:46:41 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/01/05/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58331 Tingley – why would we have to have an executive president?

If the Queen has no real political power, then she can be done away with withour replacement.

But if the Queen has real political power, the democratic argument must be for her removal from power.

and if the latter is the case, why cite Bush and Chirac for your examples of presidents. You could cite Ivan the Terrible, King Leopold of Belgium or King John as examples of kings that one would rather not be ruled by. It wouldn’t, in itself, be much of an argument.

Anyway, I have already dealt with the monarchy here at The Sharpener

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By: G. Tingey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58330 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:06:17 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/01/05/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58330 And we have an executive president – like Geo. W. Shrub, or Chirac.

No, thank you.

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By: Katherine http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58328 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:02:37 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/01/05/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58328 Excellent plan! Like it.

This sounds rather like Sue Townsend’s portrayal of the future, in which the royals have been done away with via referendum and the palaces privatised. Charles et al are living on a council estate. The free market in action.

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By: John B http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58322 Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:17:23 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/01/05/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58322 The calculations you’ve seen are misleading, since they assume the Crown Estates are the Royals’ property, and that the money they generate is voluntarily handed over in exchange for the civil list.

Although this was the case for nearly 200 years, it stopped with the 1952 Civil Lists Act. Since then, the money generated by the Crown Estates is legally the property of the Exchequer.

So Parliament could, if it so chose, abolish the Civil List *without* having to seize the Royals’ property (since the Crown Estates are no longer the Royals’ property). The monarch’s only sanction would be to refuse assent to the bill. Since this would lead to a constitutional crisis and ultimately a republic, the monarch would be most unlikely to refuse assent.

In case you were wondering about Brenda and Charlie’s welfare, don’t worry – their privately owned estates already generate large incomes (which they certainly don’t hand over to the Treasury).

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By: G. Tingey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58319 Mon, 08 Jan 2007 09:21:49 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/01/05/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58319 I believe that Charlie-boy wants to go back to this.
There are certainly well-sourced rumours thatif he had his way, the Civil List would be abolished, and the Crown would live “of its own”.

I.E. they would set up a corporation/private company [Let’s call it: “The Firm, Ltd.”] and pay taxes, as normal, but ALL the crown’s present possessions would constitute The Firm’s assests.
So that rather than the monarchy handing over all its’ money to the state, and getting an ex-gratia payment (the Civil LIst) as at present, they would operate as a normal private-enterprise corporation.

All calculations that I’ve seen – admittedly VERY back-of-envelope – suggest they would do much better, financially, than they do at present.

Interesting ……

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By: Tom Papworth http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58313 Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:52:18 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/01/05/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58313 I had heard of Emperor Norton: he was the inspiration for The King in Huckleberry Finn – one of two itinerant con-men along with a chap called The Duke.

I actually quite like your idea. I’m certainly no abolitionist – I believe that the monarchy serves a purpose and I think we too often break from our traditions. But I see no reason why they should be supported at the public’s expense.

Back in the good old days when the monarch really mattered, one of the main qualities by which a king was measured was his ability to live off his own resources; taxation was considered to be a disgraceful liberty (in the other sense) that could usually only be justified for war.

I can’t see why an elected but entirely powerless head of state is any better than a hereditary but entirely powerless head of state, but if we must become a republic I think your solution is far better regicide. That sort of thing is fit only for savages (Puritans, Bolsheviks, The French)!

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By: Robert http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58312 Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:32:40 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/01/05/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58312 I interviewed the Zimbabwean mbira player, Stella Chiweshe, over the summer. The mbira is a traditional ‘finger piano’ and she was the first popular female purveyor. Many in Zimbabwe call her the ‘Queen of Mbira’ and she does have a very regal air.

I suppose being Queen of England implies being a custodian of sorts, so being the custodian of a particular tradition or talent might also warrant regal nomenclature.

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By: What You Can Get Away With » Well, it had to come eventually http://sharpener.johnband.org/2007/01/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58311 Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:05:31 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2007/01/05/the-free-market-monarchy/#comment-58311 […] For the first time in a long while, there’s a new post from me at The Sharpener on how the monarchy might benefit from a dose of the free market. Posted by Nick @ 3:05 pm :: Links Comment RSS :: Trackback URI […]

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