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Comments on: Talk amongst yourselves, we couldn’t possibly comment http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: ausblog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-49512 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:11:03 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/10/04/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-49512 Have you seen ( HOT OFF THE SHOW! Throw-away babies )
a blog by Sharon Hughes?

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By: ausblog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-48839 Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:18:08 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/10/04/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-48839 Bill Clinton once said that abortions should be available , safe and RARE. He is a very wise man.

I’d like to see an ultrasound in every clinnic to provide a more informed choice, before going through with something they may regret.

I’d also like to see effective birth control made available to all who can’t afford it.

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By: hell’s handmaiden » Blog Archive » The Philosopher’s Carnival #37: The “Its My Birthday” Edition! http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-48698 Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:51:21 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/10/04/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-48698 […] Talk amongst yourselves, we couldn’t possibly comment […]

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By: Emily http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-46875 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:13:33 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/10/04/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-46875 When talking about worldwide statistics, factor in there men who refuse to wear a condom, countries where contraception is not available freely, countries where emergency contraception is not available freely or hard to access out of hours for those without transport or £24 to pay for it over the counter (inc UK and US), those who are unable about to use contraception for cultural or religious reasons, rape and the effects of dealing with systematic sexual abuse.

It is not as simple as having knowledge about birth control, it’s far more complicated than that.

As for looking back with disbelief and horror about abortion… that will not be the viewpoint of many of those women who wanted one.

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By: ausblog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-46818 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:18:29 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/10/04/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-46818 Something for Pro-choicers and Pro-lifers to concider…..

World estimations of the number of terminations carried out each year is somewhere between 20 and 88 million.

3,500 per day / 1.3 million per year in America alone.

50% of that 1.3 million claimed failed birth control was to blame.

A further 48% had failed to use any birth control at all.

And 2% had medical reasons.

That means a stagering 98% may have been avoided had an effective birth control been used.

I am a 98% pro-lifer, 2% Pro-choicer, who has no religious convictions at all . I didn’t need the fear of god or anything else to come to my decision, just a good sense of what is right and wrong.
You see we were all once a fetus. Is it beyond the realm of possibilities that when your mother first learned she was carrying you, she may have considered her options? What if she had decided to terminate? Would that have been OK?
You would not exist, if you have children they would not exist, and your (husband or wife) would be married to someone else. You would have been deprived of all your experiences and memories. In this day and age with terminations being so readily available and so many being carried out, if you make it to full term
you can consider yourself lucky. Lucky you had a mother that made the choice of life for you. Don’t you think they all deserve the same basic human right, LIFE?
I’m all for contraception, prevention is certainly better than termination.
Did you know you can get an implant that is safe, 99.9% effective, and lasts for three years? Just think girls not even a show for three years, wouldn’t that be great? I think too many people rely too heavily on the last option (abortion), I think if abortions weren’t so readily available people would manage their reproductive system far better resulting in a fraction of the number of unwanted pregnancies.
World wide there are over 50 MILLION aborted pregnancies each year. In America 3,500 terminations carried out every day, that’s over 1.3 million every year, 50% of all cases claimed that birth control had been used, 48% admitted they took no precaution, and 2% had a medical reason. That’s a staggering 98% that may have been prevented had an effective birth control been used. Don’t get me wrong, I suspect the percentages in Australia would be much the same.
Just a lot of unnecessary killing.

At the point of conception is when life began for you. This was the start of your existence. Your own personal big bang. Three weeks after conception heart started to beat. First brain waves recorded at six weeks after conception. Seen sucking thumb at seven weeks after conception.

I am convinced that in the not too distant future, people will look back at many of the practices of today with disbelief and horror.

Want to know how to find humanity-?

True humanity can only be achieved, by concidering others/ caring about others, as much as, if not more than yourself.

Until we do we are no more than an uncivilisation, with all the uncivilised things that we do…

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By: Emily http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-46169 Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:57:11 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/10/04/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-46169 I posted about my experience of very early teenage abortion on my blog a few months ago. One commenter was very pro-life and particularly difficult for me to handle. But I don’t believe in moderating comments. I use my real name because I wanted to help women who had similar experiences to mine (years of child abuse, gone of rails, abortion, etc) and to help them find a voice.

It might be useful to some to read what it really is like to undergo such an experience.

what happened and why I don’t regret it

my views on viability

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By: Tim Worstall http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-46156 Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:24:18 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/10/04/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-46156 Britblog Roundup #86…

Welcome once again to our little collection of those posts you nominate. The idea is to try and pool our reading, to swap those bits and bobs that we should have seen but quite possibly didn’t. You can amke nominations…

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By: Reverend Lovejoy http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-45434 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:02:01 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/10/04/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-45434 I think that while many people do have strong opinions on abortion, what we have at the moment is a consensus that most people can cope with.

If there is a case for lowering the time limit, then there’s equally a case for making abortion on demand easier in the first stages of pregnancy.

I have a question for any lawyers reading; how old does the foetus have to be for someone to be culpable of homicide if they attack the mother but kill the foetus?

And on the question of gender rights; if a woman can abort a foetus against the father’s will shouldn’t a father be able to repudiate any responsibility for the potential child in the same time period? Women can rectify their one-night stand mistakes but some men will have to pay for theirs for eighteen years. That seems somewhat unfair.

On the whole, I’m actually grateful it’s not on the radar of the politicians; think what fucked-up schemes we might have to endure if they turned their attention to it.

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By: Rob http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-44740 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:22:20 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/10/04/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-44740 I suppose then the thing to say is, why don’t we find out exactly what properties they have right now, since presumably the costs of keeping a coma patient alive are rather high? Why do we presume that they ought to be treated as a normal adult human being, when we might just be able to switch them off and save resources which could surely be put to better uses, including, presumably, giving better care to coma patients who have a better chance opf recovery?

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By: Donald/TheJarndyceBlog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/10/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-44664 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:25:21 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/2006/10/04/talk-amongst-yourselves-we-couldnt-possibly-comment/#comment-44664 The point is that we provide coma patients with particular kinds of care not because of properties they have, but because of properties they might later have.

That’s the bit I don’t agree with, Rob. IMO we treat them as human beings, assuming that’s what they are until it’s proven that they are brain-dead.

Can foetuses or babies think abstractly?

Well, that depends on what we mean by abstract thought, I guess. I reckon, like you say, we have to start by assuming something, not deriving the lot from thin air (or “first principles”).

there’s no particular appetite among British voters

And that I can’t accept. Everyone you meet has an opinion on abortion. Surely having politicians speak more about stuff that normal people speak about is desirable. Not that I think abortion ought to be pushing schoolsnhospitals off the front page, just that what we have right now seems to me more akin to a conspiracy of silence.

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