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Comments on: “We do not see the least improvement” http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/01/we-do-not-see-the-least-improvement/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Nosemonkey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/01/we-do-not-see-the-least-improvement/#comment-5259 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:39:20 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=233#comment-5259 Nothing works. Afghanistan’s still screwed. Iraq’s still screwed. The general public (me included) have lost interest. And this allows those who kicked the invasions off to get away with everything.

I dunno about anyone else, but I reached War of Terror overload well over a year ago (in fact, I think it probably came long before that – shortly before they finally got around to invading Iraq), and find it very hard to care any more. What’s going on inside Iraq and Afghanistan? I don’t really know and really have very little interest in finding out.

And that was my major point. Iraq may be worse now than it was before; Afghanistan may be little better. But there’s no one trying to articulate that in the mainstream who’s worth listening to, so I (and quite a few others, I’d guess) have simply stopped bothering to pay attention.

Hence the announcement that British troop numbers in Afghanistan are going to increase substantially (by about 4,000 or so, if I recall) meets with little protest, whereas a year or so ago when the news broke that a couple of hundred extra troops were going out to Iraq everyone went apeshit.

Even the “100 British dead” story has broken in a rather more subdued manner than might have been expected a few months back, because there’s really not that much of a market for it any more. Callous, maybe – but true.

In this climate, where even politically aware people who keep up to date with most current affairs have started to blank out all news about Iraq and the like, the need for a coherent antiwar unity figure to revitalise interest is desperate. The movement’s splintered, fractured, and has dwindled to irrelevancy just as it could really start to make an impact.

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By: Phil Bailey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/01/we-do-not-see-the-least-improvement/#comment-5242 Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:16:32 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=233#comment-5242 Nosemonkey, you freely admit “to having little knowledge of (or interest in) domestic Afghan politics” but that doesn’t seem to prevent you “talking arse” about the country.

Your three “proofs” are fine examples –

1) Public beheadings have indeed ceased, for now, but stoning to death is still permitted. In the New Afghanistan you can be jailed for writing articles condemning this practice.

2)In rural Afghanistan, where the majority live, most girls and women are not educated. Not before the Taliban, not during, nor since.

3)Ditto – most rural women are still required to wear “tents”.

Why not increase your knowledge of Afghan politics by reading up on some of the people recently elected to its new government? You’ll find that many of them are just as appalling as the Taliban, and some of them ARE Taliban.

Rant over ….

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By: dsquared http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/01/we-do-not-see-the-least-improvement/#comment-5206 Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:38:15 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=233#comment-5206 Is there not a bit of a problem that it is not exactly as if the strategy of being polite and understated has not been given a fair go for the last four years in Afghanistan and nearly three in Iraq, with not a great deal of success?

Also, with respect to Iraq, your b) option above omits the important information that mortality is, as a matter of fact, worse than it was under Saddam. “An acceptable level” would require further improvement from the improvement that we would need to merely get back to the prewar state.

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By: Alf http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/01/we-do-not-see-the-least-improvement/#comment-5184 Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:59:54 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=233#comment-5184 I totally agree with what you say, and yes we do need more people to speak out; but, and herein lies the rub, what notice will inept, ikncompetent and morally bankrupt governments like ours take?

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By: Chris http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/01/we-do-not-see-the-least-improvement/#comment-5183 Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:41:30 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=233#comment-5183 Good post. Makes redundant Bolingbroke’s theory that reason would win over 10 men to you, but an emotional appeal could lead a nation by it’s nose. I honestly can’t see how you can get people to listen, and act on any real issue in the current atmosphere. Big Brother or the latest fad on telly is about the only thing that counts to most people.

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By: rachel north london http://sharpener.johnband.org/2006/01/we-do-not-see-the-least-improvement/#comment-5182 Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:57:05 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=233#comment-5182 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-2014614,00.html

Simon Jenkins in the Sunday Times on Afghanistan, key quote

‘The implication is that British troops will act only in self-defence. How that turns back the Taliban tide is a mystery. It is just offering target practice for mujaheddin.’

Good point about ranting. I must try to be less vehement. But it is hard when faced with this level of delusional incompetence and cynicism from those in charge of these things.

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