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Comments on: Hurrah for the RMT http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/12/hurrah-for-the-rmt/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Nataly http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/12/hurrah-for-the-rmt/#comment-4873 Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:05:46 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=222#comment-4873 NY first… London second…
It was real hell in NY when the drivers went on strike. Everybody had to buy Christmas presents online.

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By: Shuggy http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/12/hurrah-for-the-rmt/#comment-4828 Fri, 06 Jan 2006 01:43:32 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=222#comment-4828 Tripe. Average wages within an economy are set by average productivity. The distribution of wages (which, note, has nothing to do with returns to capital) depends upon the relative power of the various workers groups. A stronger group takes from the weaker. Note, it’s a zero sum game. The total amount of wagesis set by the average productivity.

No, this doesn’t make any sense: either powerful interests can exploit their advantage in the market or they can’t. Your acceptance of a ‘zero-sum’ game would suggest you accept the former, which makes your notion of market rationality, with each worker being rewarded according to their labour, more difficult to understand. None of you have adressed Meaders’ basic point, which is that trades unions have been in a general sense, and at their best, a civilising institution in this country.

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By: Andrew Bartlett http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/12/hurrah-for-the-rmt/#comment-4697 Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:05:50 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=222#comment-4697 But let’s say that Tim is right.

That would mean that it is in our interests to reduce the incomes of the wealthy. We need not use rhetoric of equality or democracy to justify this reduction, but merely a recognition that this reduction is in our own (provided that we are not part of the wealthy) economic interests. This realised, no one could use to slimeball ‘politics of envy’ rhetorical dodge to avoid answering these demands.

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By: Meaders http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/12/hurrah-for-the-rmt/#comment-4696 Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:47:07 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=222#comment-4696 Dsquared seconded, and throw the massive real wage increases in the UK, 1970-74 – quite distinct from any changes to productivity – aligned with compression of differentials and falling income inequality.

Quite apart from hte fact that if the tube drivers get less than ticket prices go down. That’s an increase in income for those nurses that use the system isn’t it?

Hahahahahahah! Yeah, in a massively subsidised public transport system run by a rent-seeking public bureaucracy and facing highly inelastic demand, of course reductions in tube drivers wages will lead to reductions in ticket prices. But of course.

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By: dsquared http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/12/hurrah-for-the-rmt/#comment-4695 Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:32:34 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=222#comment-4695 The total amount of wages is set by the average productivity.

No it ain’t; the rate of profit has to be in there too. Productivity has been rising in the USA for ages but real wages haven’t.

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By: Tim Worstall http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/12/hurrah-for-the-rmt/#comment-4678 Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:08:20 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=222#comment-4678 Britblog Roundup # 46

Yes indeed hangover sufferers! Here it is, your New Year’s Britblog Roundup. For those of you who had a dificult night I shall type this slowly and quietly. As you know you can make nominations for next week’s extravaganza by

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By: Tim Worstall http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/12/hurrah-for-the-rmt/#comment-4677 Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:00:09 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=222#comment-4677 “Tube drivers are better-paid than others because they have a strong, well-organised union. Breaking that union won’t suddenly mean, say, nurses getting paid more; quite the opposite.”

Tripe. Average wages within an economy are set by average productivity. The distribution of wages (which, note, has nothing to do with returns to capital) depends upon the relative power of the various workers groups. A stronger group takes from the weaker. Note, it’s a zero sum game. The total amount of wagesis set by the average productivity.

Quite apart from hte fact that if the tube drivers get less than ticket prices go down. That’s an increase in income for those nurses that use the system isn’t it?

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By: Jarndyce http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/12/hurrah-for-the-rmt/#comment-4665 Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:09:45 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=222#comment-4665 I do think a NYE strike is a serious tactical error

While I broadly agree with (most of) the post, I’d second that quote from Phil bigtime. They’ve chosen to disrupt a night out enjoyed by most ordinary Londoners (and which brings money disproportionately to small businesses) rather than, say, the big return to work on Tuesday which would have hit big business and capital interests. It doesn’t smack of solidarity with anyone but themselves.

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By: Phil E http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/12/hurrah-for-the-rmt/#comment-4657 Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:11:00 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=222#comment-4657 I agree with everything you’ve said, and I think it needs saying. At the same time, I do think a NYE strike is a serious tactical error, which lends more support to the view you criticise – that a union like the RMT is just an organised wing of hte aristocracy of labour, looking after its own privileges. If it’s what they do I’ll support them in doing it, though.

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