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Comments on: Ayaan Hirsi Ali in London http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ibrahim http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/#comment-17555 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:08:28 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=207#comment-17555 I think we know what this lady is talking about.Being a somali, learned and a researcher like she claims to be…I feel she has not read enough of Islam or was it the Somali culture she is talking about which we need to imporve…

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By: blog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/#comment-13903 Fri, 26 May 2006 07:01:47 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=207#comment-13903 What a Tragedy it is to see those like Mr Garton Ash, mess with such Cheap SHOT .

What a Tragedy to bring Votair Down to this Cheap and shallow and filthy level . That Mr Ash has been Brainwashed is obvious. He has been Brainwashed by Iranians who got him to take their SIDE and he is brainwashed by Women who want him to SIDE with their INSANE View of the World and even Religion. The Same WOMEN have Zero RESPECT for Christians and Christianity and JUDAISM.

There are no Champions of Rights or Democracy here but simply Hysteria and DRAMA and ACTS.

IT IS NO MORAL COURAGE to HAVE Bodyguard and open one’s BIG Mouth and start Bashing ISLAM or anything else. Any IDIOT CAN DO this.

What a Tragedy to see Mr ASH to come under influence of such group of people to promote them and give them even Crediblity.!!! What a Tragedy it is .

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By: rocky http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/#comment-10127 Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:48:00 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=207#comment-10127 I have to tell you a bit more about Ayaan hirshi ali.

Ayaan hirshi ali was taken on by the labour party
in holland when she started her political career.

September the 11th happened, holland moved to the right .

Pim fortyn came on the “far right politician”
60 % of the dutch voted for him.

Ayaan hirshi ali started to ventilate her right winged views at the labour. Labour was not happy with her retoriek.

Pim fortyn was shot, by a animal activist (not by an islamist as one comment above mentioned)

Hirshi Ayaan ali was there at the right time and the right spot she used the reoriek which pleased the majority of the white Dutch people and was taken on by the right conservatives (not
the liberal conservatives as one comment say’s)

She left Labour by saying that she had different views

She used the retoriek about and agianst islam( i am a non believer) and made career as no other.
Hirshi ayaan ali is the bigist allie of Minister verdonk, the very right winged politician.

Minister Verdonk has send back many asylumseekers
and has given their goverments the reports on why they applied for aylum.

This is illegal and is dangerous for the people who are send back.
Several of them have been killed. Minister Verdonk denied sending any reports until some journalist came up with evidence. Minister Verdonk had no choice than admitting it.

Minister Verdonk, Hirhi Ayaan ali biggest allie,
want now to send back Iranian asylumseekers who are homosexual, knowing that they are going to be killed.

Hirshi ayan ali had divided Holland with her reteroiek and one dimension explanation of the islam and women in the Islam.

She has no genuine plans for making real changes
for the better in the communities but act out of fustration and hunger for fame and career.

I am pleased that a lot of Dutch people who were mesmerized by her several years ago are starting to question her motives.

Holland is small and and will overcome the problems, however, she has messed up Holland big time.

I am worried that it will be a difficult task for Uk to overcome such a confusion this women can bring.

Freedom of speech is a fantastic thing but when it turns into vainity it becomes dangerous thing.

Don’t get me wrong i think there are a lot ofissues within the moslim communities which need to be worked on. But Ayaan hirshi ali is not the answering she is the road to confusion

I am from Holland and i woulod like to advise all of you to do some more research before starting a war.

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By: rocky http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/#comment-10126 Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:24:19 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=207#comment-10126 on other thing i think that there is a lot to solve within the islamic communities but i think Ayaan hirshi ali politics are taking further away from the solutions than moving closer to it

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By: rocky http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/#comment-10124 Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:49:44 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=207#comment-10124 Sir,

Iam from holland living in the Uk, what most british citizens doon’t know is that ms Hirsh ayan ali was taken up by the labour party many years ago. She made a quick career and moved to the right conservatives when it was the “right tme ” in holland to be at the “wright wing” . She began the express very right wings views because the majority of the ducth were ready for it , the was after September the 11th, Pim fortyn, Theo van Gogh, ( i have to corrected the gentleman in a previous mail, Pim fortyun was not killed by an islamist but by an animal right activist who was a white dutch citizen).

Ayaan Hirshi ali then dropped the labour party and moved to the right conservatives making even quicker career. Hirshi ayaan ali has in my eyes made a great mistake by dividing the Dutch and their moslim communities by using her examples of her own somalie moslim background.
Islam difference from region to region, the islam in turkey is different than the one in Somalia. Turkish woman do not get circumcised.

Ayaan Hirshi ali has made the mistake in informing the White Dutch community in a twisted way. She now is the biggest allie of Minister verdonk who is very right winged and who has send back many asylumseeker to their country
with a report to their goverment with the information of on the reason of why they had applied for asylum. To do this is illegal and several of them have been killed. Verdonk has denied sending those reports for several weeks until the journalist
managed to come up with evidence she then had no choice but admitting having send the reports.

Verdonk now want to send Iranian asylumseekers who are homosexuals back to Iran knowing that they are going to be killed upon return.
Ms. Ayaan hirshi ali, Verdonk biggest allie agrees with this policy.

I like you was very impressed by Ayaan hirshi ali
5 years ago when it all began but i slowly started to release that this woman is there for her own reasons and that’s fame and unfinished bussiness with er own past and her family.

This woman doesn’t really want to work on solving problems within communities but like to
make loads of money with her retoriek which charms the white communities for the first couple of years.

Holland has finally woken up and a lot of friend of mine who were very in favour of Ms. Ayaan hirshi ali now think that she is twisted.

Holland can overcome this problem because it is small i am worried that if London or the Uk takes on her retoriek that it will be going dangerously wrong.

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By: George Carty http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/#comment-6741 Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:36:57 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=207#comment-6741 Dave: Questioning Islam is not racist, Islam isn’t an ethnicity it’s an ideology.

Islam isn’t a race, but it might as well be one. In Islam’s entire history, not one Muslim population has ever abandoned Islam.

French colonial rule didn’t destroy Islam in Algeria.

Russian and (totalitarian atheist!) Soviet colonial rule in Central Asia didn’t destroy Islam there.

In Iberia and in the Balkans (except for Bosnia and greater Albania) Islam was only eliminated by outright ethnic cleansing.

The conclusion is obvious: “Islam delenda est” is a call for genocide…

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By: Steve http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/#comment-5850 Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:04:41 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=207#comment-5850 Hodan, there are plenty of Muslims who say they want to hurt her and one of them killed Theo Van Gogh, her co-producer of the flim ‘Submission’.

I think she is very wise to have security. You may be right, Allah may judge her, but some Muslims don’t want to wait that long.

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By: Hodan Jamac-Barre http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/#comment-5745 Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:31:42 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=207#comment-5745 Before I start I am so so sorry to say this but ayaan hirsi or what ever her name is.she is not a muslim or has enough knowledge to charge all muslims.what she has knowledge is somalian culcure and only the culture mybe the culture was wrong but not the believe of ISLAM.
I dont understand why she would have security with her at all times becouse I dont think there is any muslims that want to hurt sameone like her for what?what ever she decide to be is up to her as my allah said when gudgemant day comes is for her to unswer her belives not all muslims.ok……..
When she can trancelate the HOLY QURAN IN her language and english then she might have same knowledge of Islam but until then she shouldnt cus what other people chooce to believe without any force.Ayaan Hirsi choose to be not muslim after she got her degree.and i choosed to fellow my believe after i got my degree so less all humans around the world live in peace without butting each other downxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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By: Dobb http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/#comment-4219 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:34:56 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=207#comment-4219 !I didn’t compare Islam to Nazis’.

Why not? How about Yusuf Smith’s ridiculous website for a start, which begins with: “Comments insulting Islam are unsuitable ….”. Which is worse, to be a secret fascist or one who thus parades it on the armband of his website?

The main difference between Islam and Nazism is that the former is vastly more fascist but there wasn’t a Red Army to defeat it.

See:
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/http_majorityrightscom_indexphp_guestbloggers_first_post/

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By: Blimpish http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/11/ayaan-hirsi-ali-in-london/#comment-4125 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:00:35 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=207#comment-4125 As it goes, I’m pretty much against a state-individual model of social hierarchy; I’m a conservative, and so I want a ‘thick’ society, with lots of intermediation. That happens through a range of social institutions, some of which involve authority figures. Perhaps end-of-history anomie makes that a forlorn hope; but I don’t particularly like the Hobbesian alternative.

My problem with multiculturalism is not that it sees people as belonging to communities, but that it doesn’t admit of any hierarchy under a binding common identity and set of institutions. It is a bastard hybrid, taking the Hobbesian state (politics as physics) and seeking to sit it across a range of dislocated communities.

Basically, if pushed to choose between liberal individualism and multiculturalism, while I might choose the former, it isn’t because I’m blind to the valid criticisms of individualism that multiculturalism seeks (badly) to address.

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