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Comments on: ID cards by stealth http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Make My Vote Count http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/#comment-3144 Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:15:02 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=133#comment-3144 Watch honesty descend into madness in just 602 words

Ooh, an article by top New Labour scrote Alan ‘go ahead, make my day punk’ Milburn in the Graun. It’s almost guaranteed to be interesting. Well, in the way that watching a drunkard chase a bottle of White Lightning down…

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By: Tim Worstall http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/#comment-3120 Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:05:56 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=133#comment-3120 Britblog Roundup # 30

Yes indeedy, Britblog rides again! Your nominations for the Britblog Roundup are posted for the edification of the huddled masses….the best that the British and Irish blogosphere has to offer in this past week. You can send your nominations for

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By: Spy Blog http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/#comment-3115 Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:17:41 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=133#comment-3115 Home Office paper “Liberty and Security – Striking the Right Balance” – Introduction

The United Kingdom currently holds the revolving office of the Presidency of the European Union. Home Secretary Charles Clarke and the Home Office has presented a paper to the European Parliament in Strasbourg, outlining some of the dubious Policy Laun…

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By: Andrew http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/#comment-3095 Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:54:47 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=133#comment-3095 The only thing I don’t understand is why they’ve got their little hearts so set on ID?

Because in spite of all the spin, they genuinely believe they know best, and are doing the right thing. They just don’t think they can sell it, which is why they’re doing it by stealth (c.f. every other bloody Blairite reform…).

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By: Jamie K http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/#comment-3092 Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:35:51 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=133#comment-3092 Sean T
“The reason Clarke is so good at this kind of egregious and pustulent mendacity is precisely because he is a pro-european and closet Federast.”

This is exactly backwards. The EU, amongst other things, gives national politicians the chance to do things by the dark of the moon that they couldn’t do otherwise. Europe is the way it is because national politicians make it so. If it’s a sellout you’re looking for, you don;t need to go higher than national level.

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By: Jarndyce http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/#comment-3090 Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:49:38 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=133#comment-3090 The thing is, this is little to do with the EU, merely the Blair government….The EU, in this case, is a fairly benign tool

Trouble is, though, that in theory at least the EU can be used for these sorts of purposes. Now, of course, so can plenty of other non-transparent tricks-of-the-political-trade, point taken, but it doesn’t mean that if this goes through that the very existence of this route is not itself a problem. Close ’em all (as far as is practical), on an entirely equal opportunities basis, of course.

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By: Der Haken http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/#comment-3089 Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:44:08 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=133#comment-3089 Clarke Reconsiders Torture

… Home Secretary Clark not only wants us to trade in warm hearty security, giving away dubious civil rights…

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By: Nosemonkey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/#comment-3088 Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:50:10 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=133#comment-3088 Oh, also worth pointing out that the data retention stuff is a Mcguffin. The amount of data they are proposing to store (on 450 million people) is simply not currently possible in a workable form and would cost the earth. I suspect that the aim is to get everyone saying that it’s not feasible, then offer the lesser storage needs of biometric ID as a “compromise”, despite that being the aim all along.

The only thing I don’t understand is why they’ve got their little hearts so set on ID? It makes no sense whatsoever to spend such a vast amount of money on something which has no real practical use. None of the arguments they’ve put forward actually work if you look at them for thirty seconds, so what the hell are they up to?

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By: Nosemonkey http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/#comment-3087 Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:45:13 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=133#comment-3087 The thing is, this is little to do with the EU, merely the Blair government. They profess to be pro-EU, but by abusing the system like this they’re actually showing nothing but contempt for both it and the British parliament, and ensuring that (if this tactic gets wider publicity, which I doubt) the British people will become even more suspicious of the EU and even more disinclined to trust politicians or the political process.

It’s much the same tactic as they’ve used with the Parliament Act and House of Lords (1949-1999 Parliament Act used five times; 1999-2004 Parliament Act used three times) – abuse systems which normally work perfectly well by finding loopholes and routes intended for entirely other purposes to force through legislation which, even with their huge majority, they can’t get through parliament by conventional means.

The EU, in this case, is a fairly benign tool – if it wasn’t that, it’d be other methods – hence Blair’s recent cozying up to that bastion of human rights and freedom that is China to gain their support at the UN for abolishing the “don’t deport people to be tortured” rule. And they’ll probably still try and get it through parliament and then use the Parliament Act again in a couple of years after the Lords do their best to hold it up.

Blaming the EU for this is much like blaming the knife that has stabbed you, rather than the person who was weilding it. (And, in any case, it hasn’t happend – yet. Hence the need for wide publicity to discourage them from pursuing this utterly dishonourable course.)

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By: Jarndyce http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/09/id-cards-by-stealth/#comment-3084 Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:23:38 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=133#comment-3084 seanT: I must confess, this is pretty hard to swallow as a fellow pro-EUer to Nose. My pro-EUness has always been as much idealism as practicality, but this pushes it beyond the limit. What’s interesting is that they are even side-stepping the EP, the tiny vestige of democracy at the rotten heart…

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