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Comments on: Free to choose? Not in Singapore http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/06/free-to-choose-not-in-singapore/ Trying to make a point Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jarndyce http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/06/free-to-choose-not-in-singapore/#comment-2664 Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:36:18 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=89#comment-2664 I think you’ve missed the point somewhat, Mira. I was writing a piece specifically about Western policy towards Singapore in the context of our pseudo-concern with spreading democracy across the globe. You are an educated and monied people, so ultimately it’s up to you to do something about your ‘freedom quotient’, if that’s what you want. However, it’s incumbent on us not to give illiberal semi-despots photo opportunities on the White House lawn to parade in front of the folks back home.

Oh, and the “chewing gum crisis” reference was a joke. SOHF?

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By: Mira http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/06/free-to-choose-not-in-singapore/#comment-2627 Fri, 12 Aug 2005 05:22:49 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=89#comment-2627 I have a problem with the opinion that it is the West’s (or more precisely the US’s) actions which ultimately determine the democracy quotient in countries like Singapore. I speak as a Singaporean whose vote repeatedly helped to squeeze in one of those 2 opposition MP’s. Yes, Singapore has had a deeply repressive government since 1959 and many of the details outlined in your post are correct. However, you missed out on the most important reason for the sorry state of affairs in S’pore: the populace is solidly behind the ruling party despite (or maybe because of, given the Chinese penchant for a firm hand at the wheel) its autocratic excess. The government is widely seen as having delivered on economic prosperity and social stability. For a people who were dirt poor only a generation ago, facing an uncertain future as an ‘alien’entity in a somewhat hostile neighbourhood,these accomplishments seem enough.

The elections , for all their pettiness towards opposition candidates, are free and regular -if the people had deigned to do so, they could have had a very different sort of government and society. I say this sadly as someone who has been involved with what civic society there exists here. Singaporeans are, by and large, willing to pay the price in terms of civic and political freedoms for their own disneyland with the death penalty. Of course inheriting a crappy parliamentary election system from the Brits helped as did the repressive Internal Security Act the Brits initially set up to fight the communists.

A note: the Americans have actually operated under the radar here in the past, aiding the cause of several opposition figures, notably Francis Seow, now a fugitive in the US. This is more than any other western power has done. Rice’s articulation of the new US foreign policy to support the ‘democratic aspirations’ of people everywhere(once they are done with the middleeast, of course, ha!) is not necessarily a cynical lie.

Do enough Singaporeans have such aspirations? If they do, they will not need the help of the Americans or any other of you patronising western liberals- we will manage it under our own steam, thank you.

The SALE, not consumption, of chewing gum may still be banned in genuinely democratic and free Singapore. Please note that one always knows that one is dealing with patronising western claptrap when chewing gum is overblown into a ‘crisis’ and invariably brought up in relation to Singapore. It is really a non-issue here but then again, none of you pundits really cares about Singapore nor Iran for that matter, do you?
It is all about the US and ultimately, you.

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By: WILLisms.com http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/06/free-to-choose-not-in-singapore/#comment-791 Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:11:13 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=89#comment-791 The Carnival Of Revolutions.

Welcome to the Carnival of Revolutions! In this time, in our time, we’re witnessing history unfolding every day, a spontaneous explosion of political activity breaking out around the world. We’ve seen it in Ukraine. We’ve seen it in Lebanon. But…

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By: Jamie K http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/06/free-to-choose-not-in-singapore/#comment-749 Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:34:14 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=89#comment-749 “I mean, heading the list is Hong Kong! a place where the chief executive is chosen from forty selectees, somehow that doesn’t quite spell ‘democracy’ either.”

I think it was d-squared who said it originally, but the Heritage people’s idea of freedom consists of going down to the local harbour and doing a quick yacht count. The rest is frippery.

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By: Mike Cunningham http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/06/free-to-choose-not-in-singapore/#comment-748 Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:18:19 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=89#comment-748 Could the Heritage bunch be having a tiny little dig at the wonderworld of Singapore and its’ immediate neighbours on their little list from a sarcastic point of view? I mean, heading the list is Hong Kong! a place where the chief executive is chosen from forty selectees, somehow that doesn’t quite spell ‘democracy’ either.
As a comment on the final name on the posting, with an illiberal agenda all of his own, Tony Blair must feel quite at home with Prime Minister Goh’s pronouncements on comments on the secret ballot, which presumably doesn’t exist to any degree from his viewpoint!

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By: David Deans http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/06/free-to-choose-not-in-singapore/#comment-743 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:10:24 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=89#comment-743 Didn’t Blair praise Singapore in 1996? According to Lexis Nexis the Guardian reported,on January the 9th of that year, that:

‘Mr Blair, who has spent five days trying to impress on Asia the new thinking in Labour, told reporters that Mr Lee’s success in building a society encompassing all its citizens “very much reflects my own political philosophy.”‘

Offically he was harpering on about his now largely forgotten Stake-holder welfare policy – but with ID cards and the succession of anti-terror laws, one wonders what else Blair meant by that statement.

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By: John B http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/06/free-to-choose-not-in-singapore/#comment-740 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:00:51 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=89#comment-740 Excellent post. I have an unbalanced and insane followup.

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By: Blimpish http://sharpener.johnband.org/2005/06/free-to-choose-not-in-singapore/#comment-737 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:27:10 +0000 http://www.thesharpener.net/?p=89#comment-737 Singapore’s high ratings on the Heritage Foundation index is a bit odd. Although there’s low levels of taxation, there’s huge amounts of forced saving, much of it into state-directed investment funds to pay for infrastructure, etc.

On the main point… yes, but… My guess would be that the Administration sees bigger fish to fry – even within the region, they’d sooner see Indonesia achieve lasting political order, and Malaysia clean up more, than upset an otherwise stable applecart in Singapore. Sad but true. There’s also another side to this – Singapore has lots of goodwill in Washington because Lee Kuan Yew was reliable during the Cold War. Again perhaps, sad but true.

Anyway, the US obviously doesn’t see freedom solely in terms of freedom to buy and sell – ask the window cleaner…

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